Nothing makes J.B. Handley laugh more quickly than the suggestion that he and other parents who question the safety of the American vaccine schedule are "radicals." The Portland, Ore., businessman is a managing partner in a leverage buyout fund. And when it came to vaccinating their first two children, he and wife Lisa religiously followed the vaccination schedule set by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).
"We were as mainstream as they come," the father of three said during a telephone interview. "We were the ones who followed the letter of the law."
Questioning their doctor about the risks of vaccination never occurred to them, Handley continued. The same goes for hundreds of parents he has spoken with who watched their children's health steadily decline following their vaccinations, eventually regressing into autism, like 7-year-old Jamie Handley did as an infant.
"Almost to a person, we were the ones who fully vaccinated," he said. "You know?"
It's not like Handley doesn't understand the vitriol regularly aimed at him by what he routinely calls "the other side." He is a pointed, straight-talking pain in their asses.
In 2005, a year after Jamie was diagnosed with autism following a "stair-step physical decline" timed to each vaccination, J.B. and Lisa created a nonprofit organization and Web site called Generation Rescue. They dedicated it to "those who came before us and pioneered a lot of the work," he said, a place where "parents who could help other parents were all in one place."
"Autism is a process. It is not an event. Every parent I know had a child who was developing normally and was healthy and whose health took a substantial decline over time." - J.B. Handley
And from their efforts emerged an influential organization with a celebrity-mother voice that has kept the issue of vaccine-induced autism in the public eye, to the eternal chagrin of, and cost to, the medical-industrial complex. "Dumb luck happened in the form of Jenny McCarthy finding our site, literally six weeks after it launched, and using it as a guide to treat her son, who then recovered fully," Handley said.
McCarthy quickly took the helm and has been responsible for its exponential growth the past several years, he said. "She's now, literally, not only the spokesperson, not only a board member, but she really runs the day-to-day operations. Jenny is the engine, life, chief fundraiser, bottle washer, you name it. She is the lifeblood of the organization and the public face."
McCarthy's presence, Handley said, allows him to "hang out in the cheap seats and opine and write my own stuff and challenge people." And in that regard, his style doesn't earn him any props with the vaccines-are-sacrosanct crowd -- the AAP, the pharmaceutical companies, and the government officials and researchers they financially support. He's described their positions as "atomic stupidity" in articles he has written. Moron is a term he uses often, in print and in conversation.
"I can be vitriolic and hyperbolic," he said.
Even over the telephone from two-thirds of a continent away, J.B. Handley exudes a large personality and supreme confidence in his experiences and conclusions about his son's autism. And, as he points out often, his story is not unique, by any stretch.
"I'll speak both from personal experience and from literally hundreds of extensive phone calls with other parents," he said early in a 45-minute interview, "... all of us trying to piece things together and understand what happened to our kids."
'Tobacco science in its early phases'
Did anyone hear Bernadine Healy?
While Handley said he is encouraged to see the emerging consensus that the autism epidemic is real and caused by environmental toxins, the number of toxic exposures autism parents do not have in common dwarf the number they do.
"Some of us have wives with silver fillings in their teeth, but some don't," he said. "Some of us live near coal plants, but some of us don't. Some of us live in houses with lead paint, but some of us don't. Some of us didn't know plastics were bad for you, but some of us did."
The exposures their children all shared were multiple vaccines containing the neurotoxins mercury and aluminum and dozens of other chemicals injected directly into their bodies. "All the parents are telling me the same damned story," he said. "The kid goes on a stair-step physical decline after each shot appointment and ultimately is diagnosed with autism."
Handley prefaces the tale of son Jamie's regression with what he calls his five-minute monologue, which begins: "Autism is a process. It is not an event. Every parent I know had a child who was developing normally and was healthy and whose health took a substantial decline over time."
Jamie's first vaccinations came at his two-month visit, when he received the typical "six vaccines in about three or four minutes ... exactly what the CDC schedule recommended," Handley said. Within two days, Lisa was back in the doctor's office with him, complaining of eczema, diarrhea and poor sleep, none of which had previously been issues.
The CDC/AAP schedule then calls for four-month, six-month and 12-month appointments with 19 more shots. And with each round of injections, Handley said, symptoms appeared and worsened -- fevers, diarrhea and ear infections immediately afterward, followed by rounds of antibiotics and cognitive declines. Jamie's pediatric records indicate that after one appointment he couldn't recognize his name.
"This chronic decline and this alignment with vaccine appointments is not something we're conjuring up retrospectively," the Stanford-educated Handley insisted. "The overwhelming majority of us were literally sitting there looking at our pediatric records and looking for cause and effect."
Among the possible side effects from vaccines the CDC lists are diarrhea, stomach aches, fevers, vomiting and brain injury. "I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to wonder if something might be going on," he said.
Throughout the interview, Handley repeatedly emphasized that he has no idea what causes autism. And he knows he couldn't prove vaccines contributed to his son's in a court of law. But he could document the regression.
"What I can prove is my son experienced a chronic decline in health, in a stair-step fashion, immediately after each of his vaccine appointments and subsequently was diagnosed with autism. That's what I know for sure."
Among the subjects that inflate Handley's voice is the mainstream media and "how ignorant they are" when they report on vaccines and autism. They don't even know how many shots kids get, he said, citing coverage of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccines as the classic case in point.
"What I can prove is my son experienced a chronic decline in health, in a stair-step fashion, immediately after each of his vaccine appointments and subsequently was diagnosed with autism." - J.B. Handley
Of the 11 vaccines American children are given before first grade, MMR is the only one that has been studied, albeit faultily, Handley said. But when the media report stories relating to MMR and autism, the implicit and usually explicit message is that vaccines in general have been exonerated as a causative factor.
What reporters don't understand, or at least don't report, is that the CDC/AAP immunization schedule requires 36 vaccinations by the time a child is five, with 55 percent of them by the first birthday, he said. The vaccine schedule begins at birth for children who are born in hospitals, with a vaccination for hepatitis B. By 6 months, a child religiously following the program has received 19 shots.
And while there are pockets of unimmunized children around the country, schools require children be immunized as a condition of enrollment. "Pediatricians who aren't on that schedule have to explain it to health insurers and the AAP," Handley said.
Never reported is the fact that only two of the three dozen shots kids receive are MMR, and the first one isn't scheduled until the 12-month visit, and then it's given in combination with five other vaccines. "MMR is the 20th shot that they get," Handley said, noting that the second is given at 48 months, well after autistic symptoms appear in the vast majority of children. "To think for a moment that solely isolating that shot exonerates the other shots is foolishness."
The journalistic malfeasance that characterizes media coverage of vaccines was acutely evident in the recent decision in Great Britain to censure Dr. Andrew Wakefield, a gastroenterologist whose 1998 study in the British medical journal The Lancet suggested possible links between autism, a rare bowel disease and the MMR vaccine.
"I mean, before you knew it, the headline basically read, 'Wakefield lied, all vaccines are safe,'" Handley said, expressing awe at the other side's ability to manipulate the media with such blatant, transparent lies. "What a remarkable spin job. But what a remarkably dishonest thing to say."
by Steven Higgs
Handley said he has personally read the Wakefield study 10 times. It followed 12 kids with autism whose guts swelled to the size of grapefruits, who suffered chronic diarrhea and were in extreme pain all day. All it said was that parents noted a relationship with the MMR shots.
"Onset of behavioural symptoms was associated, by the parents, with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination in eight of the 12 children," the five-page paper says.
Handley elaborated: "It takes great pains to say, 'We have no proof that MMR is correlated with anything, but it merits further study,' which is what you typically do in scientific inquiry." At a news conference, Wakefield said he didn't believe that the combined MMR vaccine had been adequately studied and recommended parents have their children immunized against measles, mumps and rubella individually.
"I am as sure as the day is long that what I've given you is 100 percent factually accurate," he said. "You can read The Lancet study to confirm what I've told you. Everything else from there is all uproar."
"We've paid $1.9 billion for vaccine injuries, over 80 percent of which are to children." - J.B. Handley
As a result of the misinformed media coverage, Handley said, many believe those who challenge the wisdom of America's vaccination program have lost the debate, that they must be devastated. "No," he said, "when you understand the issues as well as we do, all it tells us is how devious the other side is willing to behave, and it makes us more angry."
The fact that any reporter would imply that vaccines are 100 percent safe is a testament to their laziness and ignorance, he added.
Before the industry began dramatically increasing the American vaccination schedule in 1989, Congressman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., engineered legislation that "indemnified vaccine makers from any liability from vaccines," Handley said. The law, which became effective Oct. 1, 1988, created a judicial system under which all claims of vaccine-induced injury, be they autism or otherwise, are heard by a special federal court in Washington, D.C.
"You can go to their Web site," Handley said. "You can look it up for yourself. We've paid $1.9 billion for vaccine injuries, over 80 percent of which are to children. So it's unequivocal that vaccines hurt some kids."
As recently as two years ago, Handley said, parents were told they were imagining their children's regression from normality to autism. But validation for their arguments recently came from the most unlikely of sources, Yale neurologist Dr. Steven Novella, whom Handley describes in an article in the Age of Autism as a "major league hater of our community."
"Ironically, the study Novella references is quite supportive of the theory that autism is caused by the environment and most notably vaccines." - J.B. Handley
"Dr. Novella's piece details a recent study published in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry titled 'A Prospective Study of the Emergence of Early Behavioral Signs of Autism' that tried to figure out when signs of autism first emerge in babies," Handley wrote. "Ironically, the study Novella references is quite supportive of the theory that autism is caused by the environment and most notably vaccines."
The March 2010 study compared two groups of children, one at high risk for autism and one at low risk, and noted the onset of symptoms in children who developed autism. It found no difference in the frequency of visual contact, shared smiles and vocalizations at 6 months. The differences, however, "were significant by 12 months of age on most variables."
In a blog post on the Web site Science-Based Medicine, Novella wrote, "What these results indicate is that clear signs of autism emerge between 6 and 12 months of age."
Novella concluded that the study disproved a link between autism and vaccines. "Many children are diagnosed between the age of 2 and 3, during the height of the childhood vaccine schedule. This lends itself to the assumption of correlation and causation on the part of some parents."
In an addendum to the blog, Novella acknowledged that he erred when he wrote that line, but he insisted, "Many parents blame their children's autism on vaccines they received after the true onset of symptoms."
While Handley didn't comment on the addendum in his Age of Autism counterpost, he said the original line made him "shout and laugh at the same time." Children have received 19 shots by 6 months -- 52 percent of the total vaccination schedule -- when the study says early symptoms of autism begin to appear.
"Between 6 and 12 months, that's when Jamie started going awry," he said. "So, it makes perfect sense to me. ... Their point was that between 6 and 12 months the kids started to exhibit the symptoms.
"Remember, it's a process, it's not an event."
Steven Higgs can be reached at editor@BloomingtonAlternative.com.



Comments
Dear Mr. Higgs,
I am reminded of a quote from "Doctor" Peter Venkman.
"Oh [Stevie], did you back the wrong horse! Will you hose him please?"
Sticking to his guns?
Is that what you call ignoring evidence and cherry picking facts? Stubborn is not the same as correct.
Ignoring what evidence?
All your side has got is tobacco science, I'd say that's worth not giving any weight to.
Correction
Mr. Crosby,
Mr. Handley is criticized because he says untrue things like vaccine makers are indemnified from any liability from vaccines.
He is particularly criticized for substituting personal attacks for reason and competence.
W&N
...Of Yourself
"Mr. Handley is criticized because he says untrue things like vaccine makers are indemnified from any liability"
Well, they are.
It's a good idea to test alternative explanations
Unfortunately, Mr. Handley came to his conclusions long ago. What's so progressive about that?
So did you...
...and so did the vast majority of performers in the neurodiversity sideshow. Why is it so progressive when it's done by you but not Handley? One moment you accuse him of shifting goalposts, and now that he's sticking to his guns you accuse him of not being progressive? Looks like someone is just looking for an excuse to criticize him because he has no good reason to.
Vaccine FACT vs OPINION
Regardless of anyone's *OPINION*, the *FACTS* are CDC has stated VACCINES CAN CAUSE AUTISM http://tinyurl.com/Vax-Autism1 - and have paid out BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to vaccine damaged kids and have THOUSANDS on the lawsuit list yet to be heard.
THIMEROSAL (MERCURY) containing vaccines are well over TOXIC WASTE LEVEL and expired or spilled vaccines must be handled by HAZMAT AS TOXIC WASTE. How can you justify direct injection of TOXIC WASTE into our babies (and adults) http://tinyurl.com/VaxToxicWaste and say it is healthy?
Please note any scientific studies that show long term safety of multiple injections of TOXINS and VIRUSES in vaccines. (HINT - there are none)
The only studies that have ever said vaccines are safe are those conducted by the Vaccine Manufacturers - EXACTLY what we saw with CIGARETTES and LUNG CANCER.
ALL INDEPENDENT STUDIES WITHOUT TIES TO BIG PHARMA SHOW VACCINES ARE NOT EFFECTIVE at best and EXTREMELY DANGEROUS at worst.
Read KENNEDY's (or watch YouTube video) DEADLY IMMUNITY -
http://tinyurl.com/VaxDeadlyImmunity
Why did scientists acknowledge the link and cover it up by adding in tons of kids under 2 yrs where they could not be Dx'd with Autism to make the statistical correlation disappear?
Why do the surveyed unvaccinated population have ZERO autism (actually 1-10,000, where it was before vaccinations increased)
www.GenerationRescue.com
Read the analysis of the Canadian and Denmark studies that show EXCLUSION OF ASD and inclusion of NON-ASD groups to make statistical correlations disappear.
Years ago you would have been taught in medical school to prescribe HEROIN, CIGARETTES, ALCOHOL and THALIDOMIDE - but today we call that insane. When the real evidence is reviewed, you will find the same pattern with vaccines. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin
www.tobacco.org/resources/history/Tobacco_History20-2.html
Facts are good
SNCCLA,
I fully support your suggestion that paying attention to facts are a good idea. Let's start with the GenerationRescue survey.
Here are three useful facts:
#1: in their survey unvaccinated kids had a higher rate of autism (4%) then fully vaccinated kids did (3%)
#2: Parent's (like you) have been systematically lied to about this data
#3: GenerationRescue's response has been to hide the data, which is suppose to be available here: http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/survey.pdf
Here is an opinion for you: if you make a good faith effort to verify what you have posted here you will switch sides and come to have contempt for the people that claim vaccines have autism.
W&N
Court
Hi Mr. Crosby,
Your comments here are data-free.
You could try reading the decisions:
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/node/5026
You can't make stuff like this up...
The vaccines cause autism side "experts" were caught fabricating their credentials, hiding their ethical failures, and got pretty much everything wrong.
Further, the facts showed how the biomed tests don't work and the treatments can't work as advertised.
But you won't actually read the decisions will you?
Or even read the law and see that the drug companies are not exonerated from liability?
Or read the existing court decisions were your scientists were demonstrated to be unethical and incompetent?
W&N
YOUR comments are data-free
First of all, you give no indication you've read the report, you just provide a link to the US courts website expecting others to read it. If it's so supportive of your case, why don't you actually give us a couple of plugs.
Vaccine court shields drugs companies from manufacturers, decisions are made by public health bodies that recommended the dangerous vaccines that plaintiffs were suing over for damages in the first place. You are operating as the the special master is an authority on the issue, he's not. He's a vested party over this whole affair who has no scientific experience at all, much less about autism.
Omnibus
Mr. Crosby,
Actually the Special Master's backgrounds are posted on the court's site--any claim that they have no scientific expertise is false. This is what you get for believing AoA.
Yes, I expect any person with an honest interest in the topic to be willing to read the omnibus documents.
Yes, I certainly expect anyone that is going to pass moral judgment on the proceedings would want to learn the facts.
Unsurprisingly you have expressed no interest in bothering to learn the truth. I will give two examples from the last 8 years in which your side has been exposed as a complete farce.
Start here:
ftp://autism.uscfc.uscourts.gov/autism/cedillo/transcripts/day02.pdf
PDF pages 206-209.
Fabricating your credentials for a court case where you are serving as an expert witness qualifies as atomic stupidity.
Also try:
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/Vowell.Dwyer.FINAL.pdf
PDF pages 302-304
The biomeds diagnosis kids using meaningless tests and have set it up such that any result "proved" that mercury was causing the autism.
Wow, that is exactly how a con-game works.
Which is one of the reasons I believe that the biomeds will be sued out of existence.
Now it is your turn to start reading and learn the truth.
W&N
Shielded from the facts
"Vaccine court shields drugs companies from manufacturers"
What are your trying to say?
Don't play dumb.
No fair, honest personal injury court would shield companies from litigation as a result of harm caused by their products, especially products that are mandated for consumers by government, a place a limit on payouts for all cases of compensation to no more than $300,000, even in those of death.
Another dumb question
The first autism-related vaccine claim to NVICP came in 1999. There was only one that year, and one in 2000. Does that mean vaccines didn't cause autism prior to 1999?
http://www.hrsa.gov/Vaccinecompensation/statistics_report.htm
No.
That's because vaccine court caused the autism epidemic by having all these dangerous vaccines rapidly added to the schedule, therefore increasing harm, which caused class-action lawsuits under the broad term "autism," entirely based on symptom display, rather than individual lawsuits under more specific biological terms. And just because the plaintiffs did not sue under the label "autism" does not mean the adverse event the child sustained from the vaccine did not cause autism. In fact, as CBS reported, there are cases of government concessions in vaccine court of children developing autism because of shots that date all the way back to as early as 1991.
Sorry--this should have been below on the Kangaroo topic
White&Nerdy
It sounds like you didn't read the decisions
Repeating Jenny McCarthy's talking points is not the same as discussion.
I have
I've also subjected myself to Paul Offit's book, and like that, it's nothing but the same tired, old debunked talking points chock-full of tobacco science. In a way, the vaccine court is directly responsible for the epidemic, because it's formation shielded drug companies and gave the green-light to the pharma-staffed ACIP to add many more vaccines to the schedule in rapid-fire fashion.
AFP
Can you actually refute the thesis of AFP? All I'm seeing from you are more conspiracy theories.
I don't have to.
Paul Offit did that already by admitting on "Science"Blogs that he was no expert, and learned about autism exclusively from reading newspapers, aside from the "information" he learned by a handful of parents like you. He writes his book telling parents to listen to "experts" like him, and then admits he is a hack right after his book comes out.
If you want to accuse people of concocting conspiracy theories, tell it to your own blog for claiming that Age of Autism forged an official university document, or that we merely posted it and were duped by mysterious, outside forces that did.
Kangaroo Court
The only thing the special masters went out of their way for was to appease the policy makers whose disastrous decisions led to the autism epidemic, as well as form the very basis of a court that exonerates drug companies from liability even when consumers are forced to take them.
Contemptuous behavior
"Further, re W&N's statement that recent civil courts were "contemptuous" of vaccine injured parents' arguments on behalf of their children, it seems to me, it is not the job of an unbiased court to be "contemptuous" of either litigant."
It is the job of an unbiased to court to explain the reasoning behind a decision. Showing contempt for specious reasoning and incompetent experts witnesses is part of the process. The special masters went out of their way to sympathize with the parents - contempt was reserved for the petitioners' lawyers and their hired witnesses.
Correction
Hi ANB,
One small thing: if you read my posting, you will see that I was misquoted.
Still the big point remains: so called expert witnesses that are caught shoveling crap have no cause to complain when they are ridiculed by courts.
W&N
Culture of victimhood
Yes, I caught how they mischaracterized what you wrote. Vaccine rejectionism thrives on victimhood, so any criticism of junk science or unethical lawyers becomes an attack on parents. If one parent is called out for shading the truth, that turns into a slur against all parents. I think Karl Rove should be an invited speaker at the next AutismOne conference.
The psychology here is fascinating.
Hi Mr. Higgs,
Mr. Handley correctly, if not understatedly, describes himself as "vitriolic and hyperbolic". His rhetoric is filled with character attacks and in Mr. Handley's view seemingly everyone with contrary views is a liar.
The question is are Mr. Handley's arguments truthful?
Two very simple examples, you quote him as asserting that:
(1) "MMR is the only one that has been studied {with respect to autism}"
and
(2) "Congressman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., engineered legislation that "indemnified vaccine makers from any liability from vaccines,"
The answer is no, Mr. Handley simply didn't tell you the truth.
(1) Pubmed allows you to search scientific publications:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
All you have to do is to search for autism + vaccine name (e.g. DTP, DT, Hib etc) to learn that what Mr. Handley told you was false.
(2) If you go to the HSRA site:
http://www.hrsa.gov/Vaccinecompensation/
You can read the FAQ--#12 explains that all families in the US can sue when they believe there is a vaccine injury.
Again, what Mr. Handley told was not true.
Worse still we have now a significant history of US civil court decisions on the issue of do vaccines/thimerosal cause autism. Here is an example:
http://mdcourts.gov/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf
The fact is that US civil courts have not just rejected the nonsense offered by Mr. Handley' side, they are outright contemptuous of his sides' arguments--even questioning the integrity of Mr. Handley's so-called scientists.
Now I don't know--and I really don't care--if Mr. Handley's misinformation is an example of "atomic stupidity" or something more sinister.
But I am sure that it should not be possible to finish middle-school and honestly believe the nonsense that is advocated by Age of Autism, GenerationRescue, or 14studies site.
W&N
I reread the article twice and Mr. Handley never said "that"
Before I go into my brief reply, please don't miss this: www.cryshame.co.uk
You can buy the Silenced Witnesses books on line from:
www.slingshotpublications.com
The CryShame group is a group of parents and professionals who are
campaigning for rights and claims of vaccine damaged children in the UK. The
group grew originally out of the failure of a civil action brought by over a
thousand parents and the case brought by the GMC against Dr Andrew
Wakefield, you can read about the later case in Martin Walker's reports on:
www.cryshame.com
Jon's Buttons, a youtube posted by one of the original parents of an autistic child in Britain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTMMAq_kFtg
Please watch it.
I just carefully reread the article twice and never found the statement that W&N alleges that Mr. Handley said-- in W&N's Item #1 reprinted below. Mr. Handley never said what W&N claims he said.
As to #2, Question #12 at the www.HRSA.gov website is: "How the VICP is funded." In this brief two paragraph FAQ, nothing is said that, to me, disproves what Mr. Handley said in W&N's quote in your #2.
An "argument" is not truthful or not truthful; rather, it is "facts" which may be proven false. Any scientific "fact" is a theory, always subject to being disproven by new knowledge. I learned this in sixth grade science class.
Further, re W&N's statement that recent civil courts were "contemptuous" of vaccine injured parents' arguments on behalf of their children, it seems to me, it is not the job of an unbiased court to be "contemptuous" of either litigant.
(From W&N) The question is are Mr. Handley's arguments truthful?
Two very simple examples, you quote him as asserting that:
(1) "MMR is the only one that has been studied {with respect to autism}"
and
(2) "Congressman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., engineered legislation that "indemnified vaccine makers from any liability from vaccines,"
The answer is no, Mr. Handley simply didn't tell you the truth.
(1) Pubmed allows you to search scientific publications:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
All you have to do is to search for autism + vaccine name (e.g. DTP, DT, Hib etc) to learn that what Mr. Handley told you was false.
Try, try, try again
Hi Speechwriter,
Then you should reading the article a third time.
You know that Explorer has a Find function--it works. I gave verbatim quotes. Try again, you can find them.
Also you misquoted me. I said nothing about courts being contemptuous of parents--rather their scorn is heaped on the people claiming to be expert witnesses. This will be obvious if you try reading some of the decisions.
Try connecting the dots: on the one hand they charge parents $100,000's, on the other hand the courts catch them making things up. Parent's might be interested to read these decisions, but since the Mr. Handleys of the world keep telling them it is impossible to sue, the parents believe these decisions don't exist and thus don't read them.
If the entire vaccines cause autism was a fraud, wouldn't the act exactly like this?
Finally I hope you teach your children not to believe everything they read on-line. cryshame is just a propaganda site that is so flagrantly unethical even Wakefield's lawyer has condemned it.
Consider the open letter to the Heath Editor of the Independent. Try reading what the references actually say and you will understand why their integrity is questioned.
W&N
Dubious motivations
"Ken Reibel, aka "AutismNewsBeat," has a communications business. One wonders whether his obsessive frequent posts here and elsewhere maligning J.B. Handley et al. are for profit or some other dubious motivation."
You can wonder all you like. The fact is my communications business has nothing to do with the pharmaceutical industry, as has been alleged on a certain fringe anti-vaccine website.
On the other hand, Mr. Handley has made his motivation quite clear - to "bring the US vaccine program to its knees." It that what passes for progressive thought these days?
If it stops the pushing of dangerous drugs, YES.
The US vaccine program is anything but progressive, it is dangerous: MMR, thimerosal, Gardasil, all should be banned, but they aren't. Most flu shots contain thimerosal, including the H1N1 vaccine which was made mandatory, yet never safety-tested. They were even thinking of making Gardasil mandatory for boys, who don't even get cervical cancer. The MMR is already a mandatory vaccine, and no safe, single-shot alternatives that can be adequately spaced-out exist. Rather than addressing these issues, government and industry are trying to cover them up, while cranking out shoddy tobacco science to deceive people into thinking the program is safe, thus putting more people at risk.
Big pHARMa EX-Shill Confesses/Who Will Be Next?
The charade is being brought to it's knees, not just by noble people like J.B. Handley, but by ex-shills themselves & you ANB, should join them.
Time to get on the correct & humane side of humanity while you still can because, metaphorically speaking, "We The People" have gone for the pitch forks & have the tar & feathers ready.
Time is short!
Here's proof!
"Side Effects Death - Confessions of a Pharma-Insider."
John Virapen (A brave & noble man) used to be the executive director of the Swedish branch of Eli Lilly & Company.
He said he worked for other big pHARM's, too.
http://www.side-effects-death.com/
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Hepatitis A Vaccine
There are powerful ethical issues in giving medications to one group to prevent illness in another group. If adults are in danger of illness from Hep A, vaccinate them. Jabbing babies to protect adults is neither fair nor ethical.
http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/26/why-jab-children-to-prote...
CDC on mercury: "All the harm is done in the first month"
Here is a notorious CDC e-mail obtained via the Freedom Of Information Act. Note the subject line regarding the correlation between the mercury-based preservative Thimerosal and neurological damage in infants. The original .pdf is available at several websites.
"From: Verstraeten, Thomas
"Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 4:40 PM
"To: 'Robert Davis'
"Cc: Destefano, Frank
"Subject: It just won't go away...
[snip]
"I added another exposure variable (addcat) in one list that looks at the increase of mercury each month for the first three months, divided by the average bodyweight in the first, second and third month and takes the maximum value of this. This does not show much, to which I would conclude that, except for epilepsy, all the harm is done in the first month."
[snip]
Strawman
I truly can't get over the typical snobs who always slam us for claiming broad expertise in "science" and "medicine." Uh, no for your information, we only claim to know more about autism than the medical authorities you tout, who used to believe autism was caused by refrigerator mothers, until after decades of delusion they were finally brought to their senses by some of us.
"AutismNewsBeat"... What a surprise.
Ken Reibel, aka "AutismNewsBeat," has a communications business. One wonders whether his obsessive frequent posts here and elsewhere maligning J.B. Handley et al. are for profit or some other dubious motivation. Readers should eschew Reibel's predictable histrionics and instead investigate for themselves the scientific documentation Handley references here and elsewhere at GenerationRescue.org or FourteenStudies.org.
Go to the website of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program and read the legal cases that have been conceded by the Special Masters. For one paradoxical example, this vaccine injury victim is a 57-year-old doctor.
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/Moran.Bruce%203%203%20...
The only way to improve a product is to acknowledge its failures and work to end them. The automaker Toyota is working overtime to eliminate the sudden acceleration problem that resulted in damage, injuries and death to buyers. Vaccine consumers deserve the same acknowledgment and concern about adverse effects -- especially from the "health care professionals" who administrate the U.S. disease prevention program.
I used to listen to Handley...
I used to believe is what Mr. Handley wrote on his website and was starting to believe his information. But there was something in the back of my mind that said it just didnt seem right. I followed my own parental intuition and decided to learn more about vaccines first..take in both sides. I talked with my doctors, I talked with other health professionals etc. I was shocked to find out how wrong Mr. Handly was. One of my doctors asked me if Mr. Handly was edjucated in science or medicine. I said no and he replied he wouldnt let his childs health be influenced by someone with zero education or training in medicine. Shame on Handly for pretending he knows and understands the science when he clearly doesnt. One fact that bothers me so much is that these diseases are coming back because people havent been getting vaccinated...SHAME! My kids are now at risk because of this!
Listen to the parents
"I was shocked to find out how wrong Mr. Handly was. One of my doctors asked me if Mr. Handly was edjucated in science or medicine. I said no and he replied he wouldnt let his childs health be influenced by someone with zero education or training in medicine".
That's interesting that your doctor would say such a thing. First of all, Mr. Handley is a parent who watched his son regress after vaccinations. Shameful that your doctor would be so dismissive (assuming that he didn't know specifics about the Handley case - ie he wasn't the Handley's pediatrician at the time). Did you ask your doctor how much training that he received in vaccinations? How much time did he spend in med school going over the specifics of what vaccines do and what aluminum and live viruses can do within the human body? Quite frankly, I have had discussions over the course of the past few years with doctors on this issue and honestly, I have been disturbed by how little they do know in regards to vaccinations (other than the standard... "vaccines are wonderful" crap that they learn in med school).
Having said that... from the sounds of it, you vaccinated your children by the CDC's 'recommended schedule'. I can also assume that you had no issues with the vaccinations... Let me just say... That's wonderful for you. Really it is... I don't wish autism on anyone. Consider yourself lucky and stop trying to tell others what they should and should not believe in regards to their own children's health. I don't feel an ounce of guilt over your child now supposedly being 'at risk' because mine aren't fully vaccinated. I'm not going to put my kids' at risk of vaccine injury for the good of the herd. Have you happened to notice how sickly the herd is these days? I wonder why.....
ANB persists in subject change from autism to germs
Quite frankly, I have never heard of any drug where the primary defense against skepticism over its safety has been repeating all the supposed benefits it has brought. Imagine if they did the same with Vioxx, or SSRIs? Vaccines are not the greatest medical advancement over the last 200 years, they are no different from any other drug, and should be treated like any other drug even if they are more heavily promoted by government than any other drug.
Yes, Hep A can in very rare cases be dangerous...to old people, and to those with comorbid infections from other Hepatitis strains, but that says nothing about why shooting up 12-18 month olds with 500mcg of aluminum is necessary when they aren't even going to get some other Hep infection like Hep B or C. The AAP will call any germ a "serious disease," even a cold, if it got people to vaccinate more; that's where pediatricians get most of their money from, and the AAP gets most of its money from companies that make those drugs. And even if the disease the vaccine prevents is serious, which Hep A most certainly is not, that should not distract away from safety concerns about the drug.
Hepatitis A is not harmless
"Hep A: a disease practically harmless, especially to children."
From the AAP:
Hepatitis A is a serious liver disease caused by the hepatitis A virus (HAV). HAV is found in the stool of persons with hepatitis A. It is usually spread by close personal contact and sometimes by eating food or drinking water containing HAV.
People with hepatitis A often have to be hospitalized (up to about 1 person in 5).
Sometimes, people die as a result of hepatitis A (about 3-5 deaths per 1,000 cases).
A person who has hepatitis A can easily pass the disease to others within the same household.
"No baby needs a Hepatitis B injection at birth. If you can keep your precious newborn away from dirty needles and unprotected sex, they will be fine."
from the AAP:
Hepatitis B is a serious disease that affects the liver. It is caused by the hepatitis B virus (HBV). Some people go on to develop chronic HBV infection. This can be very serious, and often leads to:
* liver damage (cirrhosis)
* liver cancer
* death
Chronic infection is more common among infants and children than among adults. People who are infected can spread HBV to others, even if they don't appear sick.
* In 2005, about 51,000 people became infected with hepatitis B.
* About 1.25 million people in the United States have chronic HBV infection.
* Each year about 3,000 to 5,000 people die from cirrhosis or liver cancer caused by HBV.
Routine hepatitis B vaccination of U.S. children began in 1991. Since then, the reported incidence of acute hepatitis B among children and adolescents has dropped by more than 95% – and by 75% in all age groups.
Changing the Subject at your own convenience I See...
It seems ANB has talked about Measles, Mumps and Whooping, and then when he's shown to be wrong on all three, and wrong when shown mercury in vaccines and the MMR causes autism, and that the government has even conceded that vaccines can cause autism, he then posts an irrelevant excerpt from the AAP website on Hep A: a disease practically harmless, especially to children. I'm not sure of the precise possible link between the Hep A shot and autism, but the 500 mcg of aluminum from the drug received at 1 year and 18 months combined is probably more likely to hurt them than the Hep A itself, and not even public health authorities are making a stick over the germ.
Facts about Hep A
From the AAP:
http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/pediatrics;120/1/189.pd...
"Spread of hepatitis A within families is common, with
disease occurring more commonly in older family members
after being introduced into the household by an
asymptomatically infected young child. In child care
center outbreaks, contact with feces and subsequent personal
contact are important means by which transmission
occurs, and cases have occurred in child care center
workers and household members of children who attend
the center."
The prevalence of Hep A in the US fell over 75% since the introduction of the Hep A vaccine.
True Disease Promotion Squad: The Neurodiversity Sideshow
The bottom troll mentions cases of Mumps and Whooping Cough, which have mostly struck vaccinated people, defeating his point entirely.
The measles outbreaks could be controlled, if only the MMR vaccine were split into three separate shots, something Merck will not do until 2011 according to Dr. Robert Sears. Until then, all the new measles cases lie at the doorstep of the drug companies that make MMR, even the most recent studies of which attempting to clear it of any causal role inadvertently prove the MMR-autism link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501263_162-4427530-501263.html
http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/06/japanese-data-shows-vaccines-cause-au...
Meanwhile, they will deny evidence at a whim that shows that autism is clearly decreasing after thimerosal removal:
http://www.jpands.org/vol11no1/geier.pdf
http://mercury-freedrugs.org/docs/060827_PGKsCmmnts_CanadianEpidemioStud...
http://www.safeminds.org/research/Hviid_et_alJAMA-SafeMindsAnalysis.pdf
The real disease promoters are neurodiversity actors like AutismNewsBeat, and Tobacco journalists like those from the award-buying Chicago Tribune spreading disinformation about how autism must not be cured or treated, which is undoubtedly caused by vaccines as proved by cases like those of Hannah Poling and Bailey Banks. The only debate here is in how many people vaccines cause autism in.
Research instead of personal attacks
Hi Mr. Crosby,
Instead of name calling, you could try verifying information before believing claims.
For example, you claim that the Banks and Poling cases prove that vaccines cause autism.
You might want to try reading the decisions before commenting on them.
Here is the Banks decision:
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/bailey-banks-his-father-kenneth-banks-v-se...
You will notice that the case is explicitly not about autism.
Here is a link to the Poling decision:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/the-vaccineautism-court-d_b_88...
Again, it is not autism--rather it was for encephalopathy and partial seizure disorder.
In fact Mr. Crosby, DVIC has even explained in writing that there has never been a case where the conclusion was that autism was caused by vaccines.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/government-concedes-vacci_b_88...
Your side simply continues to be untruthful about the basic English meaning of the words in these decisions.
You also might want to read how the VICP process works: offering a decision as "proof" is an extraordinary misunderstanding of VICP.
Bad news: there are conpersons preying upon the autism community, deceiving parents out of $100,000's of dollars by offering bogus treatments for autism they falsely claim is caused by vaccines.
Good news: any good-faith effort to double-check the links you have provided will quickly demonstrate how false the vaccines cause autism arguments are. After all, the links you provided are not merely wrong, they are exceptionally stupid arguments.
The only real issue left is to watch the psychology tricks some people use to avoid the fact that they have been played for fools by the conpersons.
W&N
Respond instead of dismiss
WhiteandNerdy,
You said,
"You will notice that the case is explicitly not about autism."
You will notice that the reason why the case is explicitly not about autism is because "autism," as defined by the "experts," is idiopathic. With Bailey Banks, they clearly determined it was the MMR vaccine. If we were to apply this to the real world and include unknown cause in autism's definition, we would by default never find out what caused the disorder.
"Again, it is not autism--rather it was for encephalopathy and partial seizure disorder."
Autism and encephalopathy to not contradict each other, they are compliments of one another. Autism describes the symptoms, encephalopathy, literally meaning disease of the brain, describes the biological basis. Seizures strike a high frequency of autism cases. Neither of what you said changes the fact that Hannah Poling has autism, according to her own father, neurologist Dr. Jon Poling.
You should start listening to what real research says instead of tobacco science and kangaroo courts.
You also dismiss my links that show MMR and thimerosal cause autism, apparently without even clicking on them. You also call them "stupid," resorting to personal attacks are we?
I find it amazing how you can dismiss the obvious, that the government has even said behind closed doors that vaccines such as those containing thimerosal cause harm including autism, as stated in the email Nancy Hokkanen posted which was originally sent by CDC Epidemic Intelligence Surveillance officer Tom Verstraeten to his own colleagues. Yet, you concoct some wild conspiracy theory of thousands of people being duped by mysterious "conpersons." Just who are these people, anyway? Illuminati?
A better response
Hi Mr. Crosby,
Thank you for exactly making my point about avoiding facts.
(1)
On the Banks decision, if you read the first two pages they explain in detail how the case is not about autism. Your comments about idopathic are just a diversion and have nothing to do with the relevant facts.
You are literally arguing that "non-autistic developmental delay" is autism.
On the Poling decision, you again ignore the basic facts. The decision was not for autism, encephalopathy is not autism, and the DVIC has explicitly confirmed in writing that the ruling was not for autism.
Claims that the Banks or Poling decisions were about autism are wrong and contrary to the basic English meaning of the words in the decisions.
(2)
Personal attack are by definition comments about a person--comments about an argument are not personal attacks.
Here is another freebee for you. Consider your link:
http://www.jpands.org/vol11no1/geier.pdf
If you were to get your information from reliable sources you would find:
That in the US one can sue vaccine manufacturers
There have been recent lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers--including ones for autism
There are methods for excluding what you call tobacco science aka junk science
That your side's scientists continue to get judged as "tobacco scientists"
That the courts have been particular damning of Dr. Geier--the author of your study
That courts will not even allow the crap published from jpands to be used in court
But even if you know none of the above, it really shouldn't matter.
The paper argues that since there was a downturn in the number of autism cases after thimerosal was removed, this supports the idea that thimerosal causes autism.
And the source for the number of autism cases was:
http://www.dds.ca.gov/FactsStats/QuarterlyReports.cfm
Now using only our first grade counting skills, we can all see that claim that there was a downturn in the number of autism cases is not true.
If you object to using the expression idiotic to describe this argument, then I am happy to follow the lead of the US courts that suggest Greier is just a plain old liar.
But he fooled you because you didn't check his data.
The other links you provided really aren't any better. You are going to start checking right?
(3)
Yes I did see nhokkanen edited comments. And it is absolutely unconscionable how the antivaccs continue to deceive parents with this crap.
More good news: there are countless millions of Americans that understand hypothesis testing and thus any honest parent that actually bothers to try can learn how the antivacc con game is being played.
All it takes Mr. Crosby is to check with a qualified person.
White&Nerdy
More like a lousy response on your part
WhiteandNerdy,
Reading your comments are giving me a serious facepalm, because you pretty much dismiss everything that disagrees with you and continue to base everything off of what lay people who operate in a crooked paralegal system where vaccine litigation must get consent from the Supreme Court before drug companies can get sued.
Both Hannah Poling and Bailey Banks have autism and PDD respectively. The only reason why the court did not say the two had "autism" specifically was because there were an explanation for the pathology of the autism behind the two cases - that they were vaccine-damaged. This only proves my point more that vaccine court is a kangaroo court, because if they define autism as not having any particular cause, then they will never accept a case under the specific label of "autism" in favor of the plaintiffs, and rule against them with their handy pile of tobacco science as an excuse.
Your link, btw, offers no evidence against what was said in Geier's paper and only goes to a CDDS webpage. Provide specific data, please, if you could.
Crap? An internal email from the CDC actually states that thimerosal is causing harm, namely autism, and you call it crap? I think I'm done wasting my time on you. If you want to remain stuck in the double-think of a kangaroo court and isolate yourself from real science with tobacco science, that's your decision. But I don't think it will do either of us any good to keep arguing like this only for you to dismiss every fact that does not match up with your preconceived views.
This isn't really a sentence
"Reading your comments are giving me a serious facepalm, because you pretty much dismiss everything that disagrees with you and continue to base everything off of what lay people who operate in a crooked paralegal system where vaccine litigation must get consent from the Supreme Court before drug companies can get sued. "
What does this mean?
Hypocrisy
It's called a typo: accidental, unnecessary use of the word "what" - not exactly on the same level with making up a fictional story because facts don't match up with your views, par for the course of your blog Leftbrain/Rightbrain.
Idiopathic
"...autism as defined by the 'experts' is idiopathic."
Autism defined by Dan Olmsted is idiopathic when he is talking about the Amish. Other times he's using your definition.
No he doesn't.
Dan Olmsted does not use the term "idiopathic" when describing autism in the Amish, he merely referenced a doctor who did. As you know, in the Amish community of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, he found very few autism cases, 3 in adopted children who already received their vaccines, and 1 in a child who lived downwind from a coal-burning plant. Even if you add in the handful or so cases of children with genetic abnormalities from the Clinic for Special Children, it is still nowhere near the national prevalence. But of course, Dan couldn't get an interview with anyone from the clinic, likely because in sharp contrast to the rest of the locally-born community, the children there received all their routine vaccinations, probably given by the doctor who runs the place.